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Senate Journal: Tuesday, April 25, 1995

                        ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CALENDAR DAY

                             SIXTY-THIRD SESSION DAY

                                 Senate Chamber

                    Des Moines, Iowa, Tuesday, April 25, 1995



         The Senate met in regular session at 9:13 a.m., President Boswell
    presiding.

         Prayer was offered by the Reverend Dan Herndon, pastor of the
    Trinity United Methodist Church, Waverly, Iowa.

         The Journal of Monday, April 24, 1995, was approved.



                                LEAVES OF ABSENCE

         Leaves of absence were granted as follows:

         Senators Priebe and Bartz until they arrive on request of Senator
    Sorensen.



                                   QUORUM CALL

         Senator Horn requested a non record roll call to determine that a
    quorum was present.

         The vote revealed 45 present, 5 absent and a quorum present.



                             ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION

                               (Regular Calendar)

    Senate Concurrent Resolution 10

         On motion of Senator Drake, Senate Concurrent Resolution 10, a
    concurrent resolution relating to border city trucking agreements, with
    report of committee recommending passage, was taken up for
    consideration.

         Senator Drake moved the adoption of Senate Concurrent Resolution
    10, which motion prevailed by a voice vote.
                              CONSIDERATION OF BILL

                               (Regular Calendar)

    House File 489

         On motion of Senator Sorensen, House File 489, a bill for  an act
    authorizing an increase in the amount of taxes dedicated to the reserve
    account by township trustees for supplies and equipment related to fire
    protection, emergency warning systems, and ambulance services, with
    report of committee on Local Government recommending passage on April 6,
    1995, and report of committee on Ways and Means recommending passage on
    April 20, 1995, was taken up for consideration.

         Senator Sorensen moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 489) the vote was:

    Ayes, 47:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        McLaren
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern
         Rensink       Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen
         Tinsman       Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 3:

         Bartz         Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.
                                LEAVE OF ABSENCE

         Leave of absence was granted as follows:

         Senator Szymoniak until she arrives on request of Senator Horn.



                             CONSIDERATION OF BILLS

                            (Ways and Means Calendar)

    House File 559

         On motion of Senator Vilsack, House File 559, a bill for  an act
    defining multiple housing cooperatives and certain other property of
    nonprofit organizations as residential property for purposes of
    assessing the value of the property for taxation purposes, and providing
    for the Acts retroactive applicability, with report of committee
    recommending passage, was taken up for consideration.

         Senator Vilsack moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 559) the vote was:

    Ayes, 41:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Freeman
         Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal      Halvorson
         Hansen        Hedge         Horn          Husak
         Iverson       Jensen        Judge         Kramer
         Lind          Lundby        Maddox        McKean
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Redfern       Rensink
         Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman       Vilsack
         Zieman

    Nays, 4:

         Fraise        Hammond       Kibbie        Palmer

    Absent or not voting, 5:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Rife
         Szymoniak
         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.

    House File 550

         On motion of Senator Iverson, House File 550, a bill for  an act
    relating to the exemption of the statewide notification center and its
    vendors from sales, services, and use taxes and providing for the Acts
    effectiveness and retroactive applicability, with report of committee
    recommending passage, was taken up for consideration.

         Senator Iverson moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 550) the vote was:

    Ayes, 46:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman
         Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.



                          UNFINISHED BUSINESS CALENDAR

    House File 507
         On motion of Senator Gronstal, House File 507, a bill for  an act
    relating to state government personnel systems, including affirmative
    action reports, disability programs, deferred compensation, experimental
    research projects, the state training system, and health insurance
    contracts for public employees, with report of committee recommending
    passage, and placed on the Unfinished Business Calendar on April 13,
    1995, was taken up for consideration.

         Senator Gronstal offered amendment S-3398 filed by him on April 12,
    1995, to page 1 of the bill and moved its adoption.

         Amendment S-3398 was adopted by a voice vote.

         Senator Gronstal offered amendment S-3397 filed by him on April 12,
    1995, to page 1 of the bill and moved its adoption.

         Amendment S-3397 was adopted by a voice vote.

         Senator Gronstal moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 507) the vote was:

    Ayes, 46:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman
         Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak
         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.

    House File 393

         On motion of Senator Gettings, House File 393, a bill for an act
    relating to certain exemptions from federal motor carrier safety
    regulations, with report of committee recommending amendment and
    passage, and placed on the Unfinished Business Calendar on April 13,
    1995, was taken up for consideration.

         Senator Gettings offered amendment S-3369 filed by the committee on
    Transportation on April 6, 1995, to page 1 of the bill and moved its
    adoption.

         Amendment S-3369 was adopted by a voice vote.

         Senator Gettings moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 393) the vote was:

    Ayes, 45:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Gronstal      Halvorson
         Hammond       Hansen        Hedge         Horn
         Husak         Iverson       Jensen        Judge
         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind          Lundby
         Maddox        McKean        Murphy        Neuhauser
         Palmer        Redfern       Rensink       Rife
         Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman       Vilsack
         Zieman

    Nays, 1:

         Giannetto

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.
    House File 340

         On motion of Senator Black, House File 340, a bill for an act
    providing for the operation of snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles by
    defining public land, with report of committee recommending passage, and
    placed on the Unfinished Business Calendar on April 13, 1995, was taken
    up for consideration.

         Senator Gettings withdrew amendment S-3387 filed by him on  April
    11, 1995, to page 1 and the title page of the bill.

         Senator Lind asked and received unanimous consent that action  on
    House File 340 be deferred.



                           HOUSE AMENDMENT CONSIDERED

    Senate File 394

         Senator Sorensen called up for consideration Senate File 394, a
    bill for an act relating to instruments filed or recorded with the
    county recorder, amended by the House, and moved that the Senate concur
    in House amendment S-3507 filed April 20, 1995.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the Senate concurred in
    the House amendment.

         Senator Sorensen moved that the bill as amended by the House and
    concurred in by the Senate, be read the last time now and placed upon
    its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote and the bill was
    read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 394) the vote was:

    Ayes, 46:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman
         Vilsack       Zieman
    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title as amended was agreed to.



                                LEAVE OF ABSENCE

         Leave of absence was granted as follows:

         Senator McLaren until he returns on request of Senator Borlaug.



                           HOUSE AMENDMENT CONSIDERED

    Senate File 256

         Senator Judge called up for consideration Senate File 256, a bill
    for an act providing for notification of the application of pesticides,
    amended by the House, and moved that the Senate concur in House
    amendment S-3522 filed April 20, 1995.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the Senate concurred in
    the House amendment.

         Senator Judge moved that the bill as amended by the House and
    concurred in by the Senate, be read the last time now and placed upon
    its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote and the bill was
    read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 256) the vote was:

    Ayes, 46:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman
         Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title as amended was agreed to.



                           BILLS ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEE

         President Boswell announced that House Files 566 and 571were
    assigned to the committee on Ways and Means.



                          UNFINISHED BUSINESS CALENDAR

    House File 252

         On motion of Senator Halvorson, House File 252, a bill for an act
    relating to the regulation of real estate brokers and salespersons, with
    report of committee recommending passage, and placed on the Unfinished
    Business Calendar on April 13, 1995, was taken up for cconsideration.

         Senator Halvorson moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (H.F. 252) the vote was:

    Ayes, 46:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Tinsman
         Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 4:

         Bartz         McLaren       Priebe        Szymoniak

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.



                              IMMEDIATELY MESSAGED

         Senator Horn asked and received unanimous consent that House Files
    489, 559, 550, 507, 393, 252 and Senate Concurrent Resolution 10  be
    immediately messaged to the House.

         Senator Horn asked and received unanimous consent to send an
    immediate message to the House on Senate Files 256 and 394.



                           HOUSE AMENDMENT CONSIDERED

    Senate File 390

         Senator Hammond called up for consideration Senate File 390, a bill
    for an act relating to the Iowa arts and cultural enhancement and
    endowment program and foundation, amended by the House, and moved that
    the Senate concur in House amendment S-3555 filed April 24, 1995.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the Senate concurred in
    the House amendment.

         Senator Hammond moved that the bill as amended by the House and
    concurred in by the Senate, be read the last time now and placed upon
    its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote and the bill was
    read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 390) the vote was:
    Ayes, 47:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Douglas       Drake         Dvorsky
         Fink          Flynn         Fraise        Freeman
         Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal      Halvorson
         Hammond       Hansen        Hedge         Horn
         Husak         Iverson       Jensen        Judge
         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind          Lundby
         Maddox        McKean        McLaren       Murphy
         Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern       Rensink
         Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen      Szymoniak
         Tinsman       Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 3:

         Bartz         Deluhery      Priebe

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title as amended was agreed to.

         The Senate stood at ease at 10:32 a.m. until the fall of the gavel.

         The Senate resumed session at 11:20 a.m., President Boswell
    presiding.



                                   QUORUM CALL

         Senator Horn requested a non record roll call to determine that a
    quorum was present.

         The vote revealed 45 present, 5 absent and a quorum present.



                      CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT RECEIVED

                                (Senate File 459)

         A conference committee report signed by the folloiwng Senate and
    House members was filed April 25, 1995, on Senate File 459, a bill for
    an act relating to and making appropriations to the department of
    justice, office of consumer advocate, board of parole, department of
    corrections, judicial district departments of correctional services,
    judicial department, state public defender, Iowa law enforcement
    academy, department of public defense, and for the department of public
    safetys administration, division of criminal investigation and bureau of
    identification, division of narcotics enforcement, undercover purchases,
    and the state fire marshals office, for the fiscal year beginning July
    1, 1995, and providing effective dates and retroactive applicability:


         On the Part of the Senate:  On the Part of the House:
         EUGENE FRAISE, Chair        TERESA GARMAN, Chair
         TONY BISIGNANO              PAUL BELL
         MICHAEL E. GRONSTAL         RICK LARKIN
         STEWART E. IVERSON, JR.     LYNN SCHULTE
         DONALD B. REDFERN           JERRY WELTER



                       CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT ADOPTED

    Senate File 459

         Senator Fraise called up the conference committee report on Senate
    File 459, a bill for  an act relating to and making appropriations to
    the department of justice, office of consumer advocate, board of parole,
    department of corrections, judicial district departments of correctional
    services, judicial department, state public defender, Iowa law
    enforcement academy, department of public defense, and for the
    department of public safetys administration, division of criminal
    investigation and bureau of identification, division of narcotics
    enforcement, undercover purchases, and the state fire marshals office,
    for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 1995, and providing effective
    dates and retroactive applicability, filed on April 25, 1995, and moved
    its adoption.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the conference committee
    report and the recommendations and amendments contained therein was
    adopted.

         Senator Fraise moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 459) the vote was:
    Ayes, 48:

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         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        McLaren
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern
         Rensink       Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen
         Szymoniak     Tinsman       Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 2:

         Bartz         Priebe

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title was agreed to.



                          MOTION TO RECONSIDER ADOPTED

         Senator Szymoniak called up the motion to reconsider Senate File
    150 filed by her on April 24, 1995, found on page 1384 of the Senate
    Journal and moved its adoption.

         On the question Shall the motion to reconsider be adopted? (S.F.
    150) the vote was:

    Ayes, 47:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        McLaren
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern
         Rensink       Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen
         Szymoniak     Tinsman       Zieman
    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 3:

         Bartz         Priebe        Vilsack

         The motion prevailed.

         Senator Szymoniak moved to reconsider the vote by which Senate File
    150 went to its last reading, which motion prevailed by a voice vote.

    Senate File 150

         On motion of Senator Dvorsky, Senate File 150, a bill for an act
    relating to child abuse involving termination of parental rights in
    certain abuse or neglect cases and access by other states to child abuse
    information, was taken up for reconsideration.

         Senator Szymoniak filed the following motion to reconsider from the
    floor and moved its adoption:

         MR. PRESIDENT: I move to reconsider the vote by which the Senate
    concurred in House amendment S-3543 as amended to Senate File 150 on
    April 24, 1995.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and House amendment S-3543 as
    amended was taken up for reconsideration.

         Senator Dvorsky offered amendment S-3571 filed by him from the
    floor to House amendment S-3543 and moved its adoption.

         Amendment S-3571 was adopted by a voice vote.

         Senator Dvorsky moved that the Senate concur in the House amendment
    as amended.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the Senate concurred in
    the House amendment as amended.

         Senator Dvorsky moved that the bill as amended by the House,
    further amended and concurred in by the Senate, be read the last time
    now and placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote
    and the bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 150) the vote was:
    Ayes, 48:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        McLaren
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern
         Rensink       Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen
         Szymoniak     Tinsman       Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 2:

         Bartz         Priebe

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title as amended  was agreed to.



                      CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT RECEIVED

                                (Senate File 93)

         A conference committee report signed by the following Senate and
    House members was filed April 25, 1995, on Senate File 93, a bill for an
    act related to criminal offenses against minors and sexually violent
    offenses and offenders committing those offenses, by requiring
    registration by offenders, providing for the establishment of a sex
    offender registry, and providing penalties:


         On the Part of the Senate:  On the Part of the House:
         TONY BISIGNANO, Chair       BRIAN COON, Chair
         RANDAL J. GIANNETTO         DWIGHT DINKLA
         O. GENE MADDOX              MINNETTE DODERER
         ANDY McKEAN   JEFFREY LAMBERTI
         TOM VILSACK   MICHAEL MORELAND



                       CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT ADOPTED

    Senate File 93
         Senator Bisignano called up the conference committee report on
    Senate File 93, a bill for an act related to criminal offenses against
    minors and sexually violent offenses and offenders committing those
    offenses, by requiring registration by offenders, providing for the
    establishment of a sex offender registry, and providing penalties, filed
    on April 25, 1995, and moved its adoption.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the conference committee
    report and the recommendations and amendments contained therein was
    adopted.

         Senator Bisignano moved that the bill be read the last time now and
    placed upon its passage, which motion prevailed by a voice vote, and the
    bill was read the last time.

         On the question Shall the bill pass? (S.F. 93) the vote was:

    Ayes, 48:


         Banks         Bennett       Bisignano     Black
         Boettger      Borlaug       Boswell       Connolly
         Dearden       Deluhery      Douglas       Drake
         Dvorsky       Fink          Flynn         Fraise
         Freeman       Gettings      Giannetto     Gronstal
         Halvorson     Hammond       Hansen        Hedge
         Horn          Husak         Iverson       Jensen
         Judge         Kibbie        Kramer        Lind
         Lundby        Maddox        McKean        McLaren
         Murphy        Neuhauser     Palmer        Redfern
         Rensink       Rife          Rittmer       Sorensen
         Szymoniak     Tinsman       Vilsack       Zieman

    Nays, none.

    Absent or not voting, 2:

         Bartz         Priebe

         The bill having received a constitutional majority was declared to
    have passed the Senate and the title as amended was agreed to.



                              IMMEDIATELY MESSAGED

         Senator Horn asked and received unanimous consent that Senate Files
    150, 459 and 93 be immediately messaged to the House and to send an
    immediate message to the House on Senate File 390.



                             HOUSE MESSAGE RECEIVED

         The following message was received from the Chief Clerk of the
    House:

         MR. PRESIDENT: I am directed to inform your honorable body that the
    House has on April 25, 1995, amended and passed the following bill in
    which the concurrence of the Senate is asked:

         Senate File 475, a bill for an act relating to state financial
    provisions and providing applicability provisions and effective dates
    (S-3572).

         The Senate stood at ease at 12:10 p.m. until the fall of the gavel.

         The Senate resumed session at 2:05 p.m., President Boswell
    presiding.



                             HOUSE MESSAGE RECEIVED

         The following message was received from the Chief Clerk of the
    House:

         MR. PRESIDENT: I am directed to inform your honorable body that the
    House has on April 25, 1995, adopted the following resolution in which
    the concurrence of the House was asked:

         Senate Concurrent Resolution 28, a concurrent resolution to call a
    joint session for the purpose of hearing an address by the President of
    the United States.
                                    APPENDIX



                           REPORT OF COMMITTEE MEETING

    RULES AND ADMINISTRATION

    Convened: April 24, 1995, 2:30 p.m.

    Members Present: Horn, Chair; Boswell, Vice Chair; Rife, Ranking Member;
    Gettings, Gronstal, Husak, Kramer and Lind.

    Members Absent: Bisignano.

    Committee Business: Approved proposed Senate budget resolution.

    Adjourned: 2:36 p.m.



                     REPORTS OF THE SECRETARY OF THE SENATE

         MR. PRESIDENT: Pursuant to Senate Rule 21, I report that in
    enrolling Senate File 437, the following correction was made:

         1. Page 4, line 15, the words section 97B.51, subsection  were
    changed to the words section 97B.51, subsection.

         ALSO: That in engrossing Senate File 482, the following correction
    was made:

         1. Page 52, line 17, the word and number subsection 6 were changed
    to the word and number subsection 7.

         ALSO: That in engrossing Senate File 484, the following corrections
    were made:

         1. Page 47, lines 3 and 4, the words and numbers sections 43, 44,
    45, 46, 47, 48, and 49 were changed to the words and numbers sections
    44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, and 50.

         2. Page 47, lines 5 and 6, the words and numbers Sections 26, 27,
    and 28 were changed to the words and numbers Sections 27, 28, and 29.

    JOHN F. DWYER Secretary of the Senate

                            PRESENTATION OF VISITORS

         The Chair welcomed the following visitors who were present in the
    Senate gallery:
         Students from Waukee Community School, accompanied by Paul Bullock.
    Senator Douglas.

         Seventy-five fifth grade students from Colfax-Mingo Elementary
    School, Colfax, accompanied by Mr. Ed Johnson. Senator Black.

         Thirty-five twelfth grade students from Gladbrook-Reinbeck High
    School, Reinbeck, accompanied by Marvin Cook. Senators Jensen and Husak.

         Fifty fourth grade students from Northeast Elementary School,
    Ankeny, accompanied by Leana Benjamin. Senator Palmer.



                   BILLS ENROLLED, SIGNED AND SENT TO GOVERNOR

         The Secretary of the Senate submitted the following report:

         MR. PRESIDENT: The Secretary of the Senate respectfully reports
    that the following bills have been enrolled, signed by the President of
    the Senate and the Speaker of the House, and presented to the Governor
    for his approval on this 25th day of April, 1995:

         Senate Files 436, 142, 176, 197, 225, 228, 292, 351, 406, 407, 428,
    438, 226, 409, 437, 439, 202, 205 and 433.

    JOHN F. DWYER Secretary of the Senate

                              EXPLANATION OF VOTES

         MR. PRESIDENT: I was necessarily absent from the Senate chamber
    when the final votes were taken on the following bills. Had I been
    present, I would have voted aye on each bill:

         Senate Files 427, 150, 482, 373, 358 and House File 481.

                                                                   TOM FLYNN



                           CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION

         The secretary of the senate issued the following certificates of
    recognition:

         Cameron Schmitt, West Central High School - For winning 1st Place
    in the 1995 Hawkeye State Science Fair, Biological Division. Senator
    Douglas (4-19-95).



                                AMENDMENTS FILED
         S-3570        S.F.          413           Michael E. Gronstal
         S-3571        S.F.          150           Robert Dvorsky
         S-3572        S.F.          475           House amendment
         S-3573        H.F.          247           Stewart Iverson, Jr.



                                     RECESS

         On motion of Senator Horn, the Senate recessed at 2:08 p.m., until
    7:00 p.m., Tuesday, April 25, 1995.





                                  JOINT SESSION

                                 Senate Chamber

                             Tuesday, April 25, 1995

                                    7:30 p.m.

         In accordance with Senate Concurrent Resolution 28, duly adopted,
    the joint session was convened, President Boswell presiding.

         The following guests were escorted into the House Chamber:

         State Treasurer Michael Fitzgerald and his wife Janet.

         Auditor of State, Richard Johnson and his wife Marj.

         Secretary of State Paul Pate.

         Chief Justice Arthur A. McGiverin and the Justices of the Supreme
    Court, and Judges of the Court of Appeals.

         The Honorable Neal Smith and his wife Bea.

         Secretary of Agriculture and Land Stewardship Dale Cochran and his
    wife Jeanine.

         Attorney General Tom Miller and his son Matt.

         President of the Senate Leonard E. Boswell and House Speaker Ron
    Corbett.

         Governor Terry E. Branstad.
         Senator Horn moved that the roll call be dispensed with and that
    the President of the joint session be authorized to declare a quorum
    present.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote.

         President Boswell announced a quorum present and the joint session
    duly organized.

         Senator Horn moved that a committee of six, three members from the
    Senate and three members from the House be appointed to notify the
    President of the United States that the joint session is ready to
    receive him.

         The motion prevailed by a voice vote and the President appointed as
    such committee Senators Horn, Bisignano and Rife, on the part of the
    Senate, and Representatives Siegrist, Van Maanen and Schrader, on the
    part of the House.

         The joint session stood at ease until the fall of the gavel.

         The joint session resumed session, President Boswell presiding.

         The Sergeant-at-arms announced that the President of the United
    States was present in the Senate chamber.

         The President of the United States was escorted to the Presidents
    station by the committee previously appointed.

         President Boswell presented the President of the United States,
    Bill Clinton, who delivered the following remarks:

         Thank you very much, Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, Governor Branstad,
    Mr. Chief Justice, and members of the Supreme Court, distinguished Iowa
    state officials.  And former Congressman Neil Smith, my good friend, and
    Mrs. Smith thank you for being here.  To all of you who are members of
    the Iowa legislature, House and Senate, Republican and Democrat, it is a
    great honor for me to be here today.

         I feel that Im back home again.  When I met the legislative
    leadership on the way in and we shared a few words and then they left to
    come in here, and I was standing around with my crowd, I said, you know,
    I really miss state government.  Ill say more about why in a moment.

         Id like to, if I might, recognize one of your members to thank him
    for agreeing to join my team -- Representative Running will now be the
    Secretary of Labors representative. Would you stand up, please. Thank
    you.
         Representative Running is going to be the representative of the
    Secretary of Labor for region 7 -- Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri and Kansas.
    And if you will finish your business here pretty soon, he can actually
    go to Kansas City and get to work --which I would appreciate.

         Im delighted to be back in Iowa.  I had a wonderful day here, and
    it was good to be here when it was dry -- although a little rain doesnt
    do any harm.

         We had a wonderful meeting today at Iowa State University with
    which Im sure all of you are familiar, this National Rural Conference we
    had, designed to lay the groundwork for a strategy for rural America to
    include not only the farm bill,  but also a rural development strategy
    and a strategy generally to deal with the problems of rural America --
    with the income disparities with the rest of America, the age
    disparifies with the rest of America, and the problems of getting
    services and maintaining the quality of life in rural America.

         I want to thank Govemor Branstad for his outstanding presentation
    and the information he gave us about the efforts being made in Iowa in
    developing your fiber optic network and developing the health care
    reform initiatives for rural Iowans and many other areas.  I want to
    thank Senator Harkin for his presentation particularly involving the
    development of aitemative agricultural products as a way to boost income
    in rural America.   And I want to say a specia word of thanks to the
    people at Iowa State.  They did a magnificent job there, and I know you
    are all very proud of that institution, and you would have been very,
    very proud of them today, the way they performed.

         Im also just glad to be back here in the setting of state
    government. You know, Govemor Branstad and I were once the youngest
    governors in America, but time took care of it. And now that hes been
    reelected, he will actually serve more years than I did.  I ran for a
    fifth term as govemor.  We used to have two-year terms, and then we
    switched to four-year terms.  And only one person in the history of our
    state had ever served more than eight years, and only one person had
    ever served more thann -- two people had served more than two terms, but
    those were two-year terms -- in the whole history of the state.  So I
    was -- I had served 10 years. Id served three two-year terms and one
    four-year term, and I was the attempting to be reelected.  And I had a
    high job approval rating, but people were reluctant to vote for me,
    because in my state people are very suspicious of too much political
    power, you know.  And I thought I was still pretty young and healthy,
    but half of them wanted to give me a gold watch, you know, and send me
    home.

         And I never will forget one day when I was running for my fifth
    term, I was out at the State Fair doing govemors day at the State Fair,
    which I always did, and I would just sit there and anybody that wanted
    to talk to me could up and say whatever was on their mind, which was,
    for me, a hazardous undertaking from to time -- since they invariably
    would do exactly that.  And I stayed there all day long, and I talked
    about everything under the moon and sun with the people who came up and,
    long about the end of the day, this elderly fellow in overalls came up
    to me and he said, Bill, you going to run for governor, again? And I
    hadnt announced yet.  I said, I dont know.  If I do, will you vote for
    me?  He said, yes, I always have.  I guess I will again.  And I said,
    well, arent you sick of me after all these years?  He said, no, but
    everybody else I know is.

         But he went on to say -- and thats the point I want to make about
    state government -- he said, people get tired of it because all you do
    is nag us.  You nag us to modemize the economy, you nag us to improve
    the schools, you just nag, nag, nag.  But he said, I think its beginning
    to work.  And what I have seen in state after state after state over the
    last 15 years as we have gone through these wrenching economic and
    social changes in America and as we face challenge after challenge after
    challenge, is people able consistently to come together to overcome
    their differences, to focus on what it will take to build a state and to
    move forward.  And we need more of that in America.

         In Iowa, you do embody our best values.  People are independent,
    but commited to one another.  They work hard and play by the rules, but
    they work together. Those of us who come from small towns understand
    that everybody counts.  We dont have a person to waste.  And the fact
    that Iowa has done such a good job in developing all of your people is
    one of the reasons that you are so strong in every single national
    indicator of success that I know of. And you should be very, very proud
    of what, together, you have done.

         I saw some of that American spirit in a very painful way in
    Oklahoma City this week, and all of you saw it as well.  I know you
    share the grief of the people there.  But you must also share the pride
    of all Americans in seeing the enormity of the effort which is being
    exerted there, by firemen and police officers, and nurses, by rescue
    workers, by people who have come from all over America and given up
    their lives to try to help Oklahoma City and the people there who have
    suffered so much loss rebuild.

         I want to say again what I have tried to say for the last three
    days to the American people.  On this National Day of Service, there is
    a service we can do to ensure that we build on, and learn from, this
    experience.

         We must always fight for the freedom of speech.  The First
    Amendment, with its freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom
    of worship, is the essence of what it means to be an American.  And I
    dare say every elected official in room would give his or her life to
    preserve that right for our children and our grandchildren down to the
    end of time.

         But we have to remember that that freedom has endured in our nation
    for over 200 years because we practiced it with such responsibility;
    because we had disciplin; because we understood from the Founding
    Fathers forward that you could not have very, very wide latitude in
    personal freedom until you also had, or unless you also had, great
    discipline in the exercise of that freedom.

         So while I would defend to the death anyones right to the broadest
    freedom of speech, I think we should all remember that words have
    consequences.  And freedom should be exercised with responsibility.  And
    when we think that others are exercising their freedom in an
    irresponsible way, it is our job to stand up and say that is wrong.  We
    disagree.  This is not a matter of partisan politics.  It is not a
    matter of political philosophy.  If we see the freedom of expression and
    speech abused in this country, whether it comes from the right or the
    left, from the media or from people just speaking on their own, we
    should stand up and say no, we dont believe in preaching violence; we
    dont believe in preachin hatred; we dont believe in preaching discord.
    Words have consequences.

         If words did not have consequences, we wouldnt be here today.  Were
    here today because Patrick Henrys words had consequences, because Thomas
    Jeffersons words had consequences, because Abraham Lincolns words had
    consequences.  And these words we hear today have consequences -- the
    good ones and the bad ones, the ones that bring us together, and the
    ones that drive a wedge through our heart.

         We never know in this society today who is out there dealing with
    all kind of inner turmoil, vulnerable to being pushed over the edge if
    all they hear is a relentless clamor of hatred and division.  So let us
    preserve free speech, but let those of us who want to fight to preserve
    free speech forever in America say, we must be responsible and we will
    be.

         My fellow Americans, I come here tonight, as I went recently to the
    state legislature in Florida, to discuss the condition of our country,
    where were going in the future, and your role in that.  We know we are
    in a new and different world -- the end of the Cold War, a new and less
    organized world were living in, but one still not free of threats.  We
    know we have come to the end of an industrial age and were in an
    information age, which is less bureaucratic, more open, more dependent
    on technology, more full of opportunity but still full of its own
    problems, than the age that most of us were raised in.

         We know that we no longer need the same sort of bureaucratic,
    top-down, service-delivering, rule-making, centralized government in
    Washington that served us so well during the industrial age, because
    times have changed.  We know that with all the problems we have and all
    the opportunities we have, we have to think anew about what the
    responsibilities of our government in Washington should be, what your
    responsibility should be here at the state level, and through you to the
    local level, and what should be done more by private citizens on their
    own with no involvement from the governnment.

         We know now what the central challenge of this time is, and you can
    see it in Iowa.  You could see it today with the testimony we heard at
    the Rural Conference. We are at a 25-year low in the combined rates of
    unemployment and inflation.  Our economy has produced over 6 million new
    jobs.  But paradoxically, even in Iowa where the unemployment rate has
    dropped under 3.5 percent, most Americans are working harder today for
    the same or lower incomes that they were making 10 years ago.  And many
    Americans feel less job security even as the recovery continues.

         That is largely a function of the global economic competition, the
    fact that technology raises productivity at an almost unbelievable rate
    so fewer and fewer people can do more and more work, and that depresses
    wages.  The fact that unless we raise it in Washington next year, the
    minimum wage will reach a 40-year low.

         There are a lot of these things that are related one to the other.
    But it is perfectly clear that the economics are changing the face of
    American society. You can see it in the difference in income in rural
    America and urban America.  You can see it in the difference -- the
    aging process in rural America as compared with urban America.  And if
    we want to preserve the American Dream, we have got to find a way to
    solve this riddle.

         I was bom in the year after World War II at the dawn of the
    greatest explosion of opportunity in American history and in world
    history.  For 30 years after that, the American people, without regard
    to their income or region, grew and grew together.  That is, each income
    group over the next 30 years roughly doubled their income, except the
    poorest 20 percent of us that had an almost 2.5 times increase in their
    income.  So we were growing and growing together.

         For about the last 15 or 20 years, half of us have been stuck so
    that our country is growing, but we are growing apart even within the
    middle class.  When you put that beside the fact that we have more and
    more poor people who are not eldly -- which was the case when I was
    little, but now are largely young women their little children, often
    where there was either no marriage or the marriage is broken up so there
    is not a stable home and there is not an adequate level of education to
    ensure an income -- you have increasing poverty and increasing splits
    within the middle class.  That is the fundamental cause, I believe, of a
    lot of the problems that we face in America and a lot of the anxiety and
    frustration we see in this country.

         Every rich country faces this problem.  But in the United States,
    it is a paticular problem -- both because the inequality is greater and
    because it violates he American Dream.  I mean, this is a country where
    if you work hard and you play by the rules, you obey the law, you raise
    your children, you do your best to do everything youre supposed to do,
    you ought to have an opportunity for the free enterprise system to work
    for you.

         And so we face this challenge.  I have to tell you that I believe
    two things:  One, the future is far more hopeful than worrisome.  If you
    look at the resoources of this country, the assets of this country, and
    you compare them with any other country in the world, and you image what
    the world will be like 20 or 30 from now, youd have to be strongly
    bullish on America.  You have to believe in our promise.

         Secondly, I am convinced we cannot get there unless we develop a
    new way of talking about these issues, a new political discourse.
    Unless we move beyond the labeling that so often characterizes, and in
    fact mischaracterizes, the debate in  Washington, D.C.

         Now we are having this debate in ways that affect you, so you have
    to be a part of it, because one of the biggest parts of the debate is,
    how are we going to keep the American Dream alive?  How are we going to
    keep America, the worlds strongest force for freedom and democracy, into
    the next century, and change the way the government works?

         There is broad consensus that the government in Washington should
    be less bureaucratic, less oriented toward rule-making, smaller, more
    flexible, that more decisions should be devolved to the state and local
    government level, and where possible, more decisions should be given to
    private citizens themselves.  There is a broad agreement on that.

         The question is, what are the details?  What does that mean?  What
    should we do?  What should you do?  Thats what I want to talk to you
    about.  There are clearly some national responsibilities, clearly some
    that would be better served here at your level.

         The main reason I ran for President is, it seemed to me that we
    were seeing a national government in bipartisan gridlock, where wed had
    12 years in which we exploded the deficit, reduced our investment in
    people, and undermined our ability to compete and win in the world.  And
    I wanted very badly to end the kind of gridlock wed had and to see some
    real concrete action taken to go forward, because of my experience doing
    what youre doing now.

         My basic belief is that the government ought to do more to help
    people help themselves, to reward responsibility with more opportunity,
    and not to give anybody opportunity without demanding responsibility.
    Thats basically what I think our job is.

         I think we can be less bureaucratic.  We have to enhance security
    at home and abroad.  But the most important thing we have to do is to
    empower people to make the most of their own lives.

         Now, we have made a good beginning at that.  As I said, weve been
    able to get the deficit down.  You know here in Iowa, because youre a
    farming state, that weve had the biggest expansion of trade in the last
    two years weve seen in a generation.  We now have a $20 billion surplus
    in agricultural products for the first time ever -- this means more to
    me than you -- but were selling rice to the Japanese, something that my
    farmers never thought that wed ever do.  Were selling apples in Asia.
    We are doing our best in Washington -- some of us are -- to get the
    ethanol program up and going.  This administration is for it, and I hope
    you will help us with that.

         And were making modest efforts which ought to be increased to work
    with the private sector to develop alternative agricultural products.
    Today I saw corn-based windshield wiper fluid, and something that I
    think is important, biodegradable,   agriculturallyrooted golf tees. And
    a lot of other things that I think will be the hallmark of our future.
    We have only scratched the surface of what we can do to produce products
    from the land, from our food and fiber, and we must do more.
         In education we are beginning to see the outlines of what I hope
    will be a genuine bipartisan national partnership in education.  In the
    last two years we increased Head Start, we reduced the rules and
    regulations the federal government imposes on local school systems, but
    gave them more funds and flexibility to meet national standards of
    education.   We helped states all ove the country to develop
    comprehensive systems of apprenticeships for young people who get out of
    high school and dont want to go to college, but dont want to be in
    dead-end jobs.

         We are doing more to try to make our job training programs
    relevant.  And we have made literally millions of Americans eligible for
    lower cost, better repyment  college loans under our direct loan
    program, including over 350,000 students and former students in Iowa --
    including all those who are at Iowa State University.  Now, if you
    borrow money under that program, you get it quicker with less paperwork
    at lower cost, and you can pay it back in one of four different ways
    based on the income youre going to earn when you get out of college.
    Believe it or not, it lowers costs to the taxpayers.

         And we have demanded responsibility.  Weve taken the loan default
    costs to the taxpayers from $2.8 billion a year down to $1 billion a
    year.  That is the direction we ought to be going in.

         Weve worked hard to increase our security at home and abroad.  The
    crime bill, which was passed last year by the Congress after six years
    of endless debate, provides for 100,000 more police officers on our
    street.  We have already -- over the next five years -- weve already
    awarded over 17,000 police officers to over half the police departments
    in America, including 158 communities here in Iowa. It strengthens
    punishment under federal law.

         The three strikes and youre out law in the crime bill is now the
    law of the land.  The first person to be prosecuted under this law was a
    convicted murderer accused of an armed robbery in Waterloo last
    November.  If hes convicted, he will go to jail for the rest of his
    life.

         The capital punishment provisions of the crime bill will cover the
    incident in Oklahoma City -- something that is terribly important, in my
    view, not only to bring justice in this case, but to send a clear signal
    that the United States does not intend to be dominated and paralyzed by
    terrorists from at home or abroad -- not now, not ever.  We cannot ever
    tolerate that.

         We are also more secure from beyond our borders.  For the first
    time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there are no Russian missiles
    pointed at Americas children. And those nuclear weapons are being
    destroyed every day.

         We have reduced the size of the federal government by more than
    100,000. We are taking it down by more than a quarter of a million.  We
    have eliminated or reduced 300 programs.  And I have asked Congress to
    eliminate or consolidate 400 more.  We have tried to give more
    flexibility to states -- several states have gotten broad freedom from
    federal rules to implement health care reform.  And we have now 27
    states from cumbersome federal rules to try to help them end welfare as
    we know it.
         In the almost two years since Iowa received only the second welfare
    waiver our administration issued, the number of welfare recipients in
    Iowa who hold jobs is almost doubled from 18 to 33 percent.  You are
    doing it without punishing children for the mistakes of their parents --
    and I want to say more on that later -- but you are doing it.  And that
    is clear evidence that we should give the states the right to pursue
    welfare reform.  They know how to get the job done better than the
    federal government has done in the past.  We should give you all more
    responsibility for moving people from welfare to work.

         Now, heres where you come in, because I want to talk in very short
    order, one right after the other, about the decisions we still have to
    make in Washington.  Do we still have to cut the federal deficit more?
    Yes, we do.  Weve taken it down by $600 billion. The budget, in fact,
    would be balanced today if it werent for the interest we have to pay on
    the debt run up between 1981 and 1992.

         But its still a problem and you need to understand why its a
    problem.  Its a problem because a lot of people who used to give us
    money to finance our government deficit and our trade deficit, need
    their money at home now.  Thats really whats happening in Japan.  They
    need their money at home now.

         We must continue -- we must say to the world, to the financial
    markets -- we not cut taxes except in the context of reducing the
    deficit.  America is committed.   Both parties are committed.  Americans
    are committed to getting rid of thisterrible burden on our future.  We
    must continue to do it.

         Now, the question is, how are we going to do that?  Should we cut
    unnecessary spending?  Of course, we should.  How do you define it?
    Should there be more power to state and local governments and to the
    private sector?  You bet.  But what are the details?

         In other words, what weve got to do in Washington now is what you
    do all the time.  Weve got to move beyond our rhetoric to reality.  And
    I think it would be helpful for you because we need your voice to be
    heard.  And at least my experience in the Govemors Association was, or
    working in my own legislature was, that on these issues we could get
    Republicans and Democrats together.  So let me go through what weve
    done, and whats still to be done.

         First of all, I agree with this new Congress on three issues that
    were in the Republican Contract -- and two of them are already law.
    Number one, Congress should apply to itself all the laws it puts on the
    private sector.  We should know when we make laws in Washington what
    were doing to other people by experiencing it ourself. That was a good
    thing.

         Number two, I signed the unfunded mandates legislation to make it
    harder, but not impossible when it important, but much harder, for
    Congress to put on you and your taxpayers unfunded mandates from the
    federal government where we make you pay for something that we in
    Washington want to do.  I strongly support that, and I think all of you
    do, as well.
         The third thing we are doing that we have not finished yet,
    although both Houses have approved a version of it, is the line-item
    veto.  Almost every governor has it.  I dont want to embarrass anybody
    here, but I dont know how many times I had a legislature say, now,
    Governor, Im going to slip this in this bill because Ive got to do it,
    and then you can scratch it out for me. And it was fine.  We did it. Now
    if they slip it in a bill, I have to decide what to do or not.  I have
    to decide.

         When the farmers in Iowa desperately needed the restoration of the
    tax deduction for health insurance, the 25 percent tax deduction that
    self-employed farmers and others get for health insurance, there was a
    provision of that bill I didnt like very much.  I had to decide, am I
    going to give this back to 3.3 million employed Americans and their
    families, to lower the cost of health care by tax day, or not?  But when
    we have the line-item veto, it wont be that way.  And we need it.

         Here are the hard ones.  Number one, the farm bill.  Should we
    reduce farm supports?  Yes, we should, as required by GATT.  I worked
    hard to get the Europeans to the table in agriculture in this trade
    agreement.  A lot of you understand that.  The deal was, they would
    reduce their subsidies more than we would reduce ours, so we would at
    least move toward some parity, so that our farmers would get a fair
    break for a change.  Now some say, lets just get rid of all these farm
    support programs.

         Well, if we do it now, we give our competitors the advantage we
    worked for eitht years to take away.  We put family farms more at risk.
    Now if anybodys got better ideas about what should be in the Farm Bill,
    thats fine.  If anybodys got a better idea about how to save the family
    farmers, lets do it.  If anybody has new ideas about what should be put
    in for rural development, fine.  But let us do no harm.  Let us not
    labor under the illusion that having fought so hard to have a
    competitive agricultural playing field throughout the world, having
    achieved a $20 billion surplus in agriculture, we can turn and walk away
    from the farmers of the country in the name of cutting spending.  That
    is not the way to cut the federal deficit.

         Ill give you another example.  Some believe that we should flat
    fund the school lunch program.  And then theres a big argument in
    Washington, is it a cut or not.  Let me tell you something, all these
    block grants are designed not only to give you more flexibility, but to
    save the federal government money.  Now it may be a good deal, or it may
    not.  You have to decide.  But when we wanted to cut the Agriculture
    Department budget -- were closing nearly 1,200 offices, were reducing
    employment by 13,000, we eliminated 14 divisions in the Department of
    Agriculture -- my own view is, that is better than putting an arbitrary
    cap on the school lunch program, which will be terribly unfair to the
    number -- to the numerous school districts in this country that have
    increasing burdens from low income children.  There are a lot of kids in
    this country -- a lot of kids -- the only decent meal they get every day
    is the meal they get at school.  This program  works.  If its not broke,
    we shouldnt fix it.  So I dont agree with that. But you have to decide.
         Welfare reform.  Ive already said, we have now given more welfare
    reform waivers to states to get out from under the federal government
    than were given in the last 12 years put together.  In two years, weve
    given more than 12 years.  I am for you figuring out how you want to run
    your welfare system and move people from welfare to work.   I am for
    that.

         But here are the questions.  Number one, should we have cumbersome
    federal rules that say you have to penalize teenage girls who give birth
    to children and cut them off?  I dont think so.  We should never punish
    children for the mistakes of their parents.  And these children who
    become parents prematurely, we should say, you made a mistake, you
    shouldnt do that -- no child should do that. But what were going to do
    is to impose reesponsibilities on you for the future, to make you a
    responsible parent, a responsible impose responsible student, a
    responsible worker.  Thats what your program does.  Why should the
    federal government tell you that you have to punish children, when what
    you really want to do is move people from welfare to work so that more
    people are good parents and good workers.   You should decide that.  We
    do not ned to be giveing you lectures about how you have to punish the
    kids of this country.  We need a welfare bill that is tough on work and
    compassionate toward children -- not a welfare bill that is weak on work
    and tough on children.  I feel that that should be a bipartisan
    principle that all of us should be able to embrace.

         Now, the second issue in welfare reform is whether we should give
    you a block grant.  Instead of having the welfare being an individual
    entitlement to every poor person on welfare, should we just give you
    whatever money we gave you last year or over the last three years and
    let you spend it however you want?  There are two issues here that I ask
    you to think about, not only from your perspective, but from the
    perspective of every other state.

         In Florida, the Republicans in legislature I spoke with were not
    for this.  And heres why.  The whole purpose of the block grant is
    twofold.  One is, we give you more flexibility. The second is, we say in
    return for more flexibility, you ought to be able to do the job for less
    money, so we wont increase the money youre getting over the next five
    years, which means well get to save money and lower the deficit.  If it
    works for everybody concemed its a good deal.

         But what are the states -- there are two problems with a block
    grant in this area, and I want you to help me work through it, because I
    am for more flexible for the states.  I would give every state every
    waiver that I have given to any state.  I want you to decide what to do
    with this.  I want you to be out there creating innovative ways to break
    the cycle of welfare dependency.

         But there are two problems with this.  Number one, if you have a
    state with a very large number of children eligible for public
    assistance and theyre growing rapidly, its very hard to devise any
    formula that keeps you from getting hurt in the block grants over a
    five-year period.  And some states have rapidly growing populations --
    Florida, Texas, probably Califomia.
         Number two, a total block grant relieves the state of any
    responsibility to put up the match that is now required for you to
    participate in the program. Now you may say, well, we would do that
    anyway.  We have a tradition in Iowa of taking care of our own.   But
    what if you lived in a state with a booming population growth, with
    wildly competing demands for dollars?  And what about when the next
    recession comes?  Keep in mind, were making all these decisions today in
    the second year in which every state economy is growing.   That has not
    hapened in a  very long time.

         Will that really be fair?  How do you know that there wont be
    insurmountable pressure in some states just to say, well, we cant take
    care of these childen anymore; weve got to give the money to our school
    teachers; weve got to give the money to our road program; weve got to
    give the money to economic development; weve got environmental problems.
    So I ask you to think about those things. We can find a way to let you
    control the welfare system and move people from welfare to work, but
    there are two substantive problems with the block grant program that I
    want to see overcome before I sign off on it, because there is a
    national responsibility to care for the children of the country, to make
    sure a minimal standard of care is given. Thank you.

         In the crime bill, there is a proposal to take what we did last
    time, which was to divide the money between police, prisons and
    prevention, and basically give you a block grant in prevention, and
    instead create two separate block grants, one for prisons and one for
    police and prevention, in which you would reduce the amount of money for
    police and prevention and increase the amount of money for prisons, but
    you could only get it if you decided -- a mandate, but a fund one -- if
    you decided to make all people who committed serious crimes serve 85
    percent of their sentences.

         So Washington is telling you how you have to sentence people but
    offering you money to build prisons.  The practical impact means that a
    lot of that money wont be taken care of, and we will reduce the amount
    of money were spending for police and for prevention programs.  I think
    thats a mistake.

         Im more than happy for you to have block grants for prevention
    programs. You know more about what keeps kids out of jail and off the
    streets and from committing crime in Des Moines or Cedar Rapids or Ames
    or anyplace else than I would ever know.  But we do know that the
    violent crime rate has tripled in the last 30 years, and the number of
    police on our street has only gone up by 10 percent.  And we know there
    is city, after city, after city in America where the crime rate has gone
    down a lot, a lot when police have been put on the street in community
    policing roles.

         So I say, lets keep the 100,000 police program.  It is totally
    nonbureaucratic.  Small towns in Iowa can get it by filling out a
    one-page, eight-question form.  There is no hassle.  And we should do
    this because we know it works.  There is a national interest in safer
    streets, and its all paid for by reducing the federal bureaucracy.  So
    my view is, keep the 100,000 police, the states flexibility on
    prevention.  And I hope that you will agree with that.
         Lastly, let me say on education, I simply dont believe that we
    should be cutting education to reduce the deficit or pay for tax cuts. I
    dont believe that.  I just dont believe that.

         So my view -- my view on this is that the way to save money is to
    give every university in the country and every college in the country
    the right to do what Iowa State has done -- go to the direct loan
    program, cut out the middle man, lower the cost of loans, save the
    taxpayer money.

         I am strongly opposed to charging the students interest on their
    student loans while theyre in college.  That will add 18 to 20 percent
    to the cost of education for a lot of our young people.  Well have fewer
    people going to school.  We want more  people going to school.  I think
    that is a mistake.

         I believe if were going to have a tax cut, it should be targeted to
    middle class people and to educational needs.  I believe strongly we
    should do two things more than anything else.  Number one, give more
    people the advantage of an IRA, which they can put money into and save
    and then withdraw to pay for education or  health care costs, purchase
    of a first-time home, or care of an elderly parent tax-free.  Number
    two, allow the deduction of the cost of education after high school to
    all American middle-class families. Now, that, I think, will make a
    difference.

         This is very important for you because, remember, we have a smaller
    total tax cut, if we target it to the middle class, we can have deficit
    reduction without cutting education.  We can have deficit reduction
    without having severe cuts in Medicare.  Govemor Branstad said today,
    one of our biggest problems is the unfairess of the distribution of
    Medicare funds.  You are right.  Its not fair to rural America.  But
    theres a lot more coming, and more than you need to have if we have an
    excessive tax cut that is not targeted to education and to the middle
    class.

         So that, in brief, is the laundry list of the new federalism -- the
    things you need to decide on.  I do not believe these issues I have
    spoken with you about have a partisan tinge in Des Moines.  They need
    not have one in Washington.

         But I invite you, go back home -- this is being televised tonight
    -- go back home and talk to the people you represent, and ask them what
    they want you to say to your members of Congress about what we do in
    Washington; what you do in Des Moines; what we do in our private lives;
    what should be spent to reduce the deficit; what should be spent on a
    tax cut; what should be in a block grant; and where should we stand up
    and say weve got to protect the children of the country. These are great
    and exciting issues.

         Believe me, if we make the right decisions -- if we make the right
    decisions, the 21st century will still be the American century.

         Thank you all, and God bless you.
         Senator Horn presented President Clinton with a gift of the Iowa
    Capitol etched in crystal in a walnut stand on behalf of the Iowa
    General Assembly.

         On motion of Senator Husak, the joint session was adjourned at 8:20
    p.m., and the Senate adjourned until 9:00 a.m., Wednesday, April 26,
    1995.

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